A Planned Parenthood doctor tries to lecture Matt Walsh on child gender identity and insists even babies understand gender

Then he asked her about Santa Claus, and it was over.

MICHELLE FORCIER: “There’s research and data that show that babies and infants understand differences in gender. Some children figure out their gender really early...”

WALSH: “Have you ever met a 4-year-old who believes in Santa Claus?”

FORCIER: “Mhm.”

WALSH: “So, this is someone who believes that a fat man is traveling through the sky on a flying reindeer at lightning speed coming down his chimney with presents.”

FORCIER: “Yeah.”

WALSH: “Would you say that this is someone who maybe has a tenuous grasp on reality?”

FORCIER: “They have an appropriate 4-year-old handle on the reality that’s very real for them.”

WALSH: “Agreed. Agreed. But Santa Claus is real for them, but Santa Claus is not actually real.”

FORCIER: “Yeah, well, and but Santa Claus does deliver their Christmas presents.”

WALSH: “Well, yeah, but he’s not real, though.”

FORCIER: “To that child, they are.”

WALSH: “When I see a child who, you know, believes in Santa Claus, and then let’s say this is a boy and he says, ‘I’m a girl.’ This is someone who can’t distinguish between fantasy and reality, so how could you take that as a reality?”

FORCIER: “I would say that as a pediatrician and as a parent, I would say how wonderful my 4-year-old and their imagination is.”

Most 4-year-olds can’t even tie their shoes. We don’t let them cross the street alone, pick their bedtime, or choose what’s for dinner. But she thinks they’re mature enough to decide they’re “in the wrong body.”

She’s not just affirming fantasy as reality in her own practice. She’s helping hand-pick the next generation of doctors — ones who think just like her.

A Planned Parenthood doctor tries to lecture Matt Walsh on child gender identity and insists even babies understand gender. Then he asked her about Santa Claus, and it was over. MICHELLE FORCIER: “There’s research and data that show that babies and infants understand differences in gender. Some children figure out their gender really early...” WALSH: “Have you ever met a 4-year-old who believes in Santa Claus?” FORCIER: “Mhm.” WALSH: “So, this is someone who believes that a fat man is traveling through the sky on a flying reindeer at lightning speed coming down his chimney with presents.” FORCIER: “Yeah.” WALSH: “Would you say that this is someone who maybe has a tenuous grasp on reality?” FORCIER: “They have an appropriate 4-year-old handle on the reality that’s very real for them.” WALSH: “Agreed. Agreed. But Santa Claus is real for them, but Santa Claus is not actually real.” FORCIER: “Yeah, well, and but Santa Claus does deliver their Christmas presents.” WALSH: “Well, yeah, but he’s not real, though.” FORCIER: “To that child, they are.” WALSH: “When I see a child who, you know, believes in Santa Claus, and then let’s say this is a boy and he says, ‘I’m a girl.’ This is someone who can’t distinguish between fantasy and reality, so how could you take that as a reality?” FORCIER: “I would say that as a pediatrician and as a parent, I would say how wonderful my 4-year-old and their imagination is.” Most 4-year-olds can’t even tie their shoes. We don’t let them cross the street alone, pick their bedtime, or choose what’s for dinner. But she thinks they’re mature enough to decide they’re “in the wrong body.” The most terrifying part about this lady is that she’s also an Assistant Dean of Admissions at Brown University. She’s not just affirming fantasy as reality in her own practice. She’s helping hand-pick the next generation of doctors — ones who think just like her.

— The Vigilant Fox ???? (@VigilantFox)October 23, 2026